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Office Works - East Esplanade Back on the Agenda

7/3/2018

20 Comments

 
FINAL UPDATE:  March 27

Locals and visitors will still be able to have a glass of wine while the sun goes down, after the Council adopted a motion from Crs Candy Bingham & Sarah Grattan  for an 8pm curfew, and additional measures to control  anti-social behaviour at East Esplanade Reserve.

The motion, which was passed last night, is that Council

  • Endorse the ‘Alcohol Prohibited Area’ at East Esplanade to an Alcohol Prohibited Area from 8.00pm to 8.00am to assist Council and Police to enforce the zoning.
 
  • Undertake the deployment of night rangers or alternative measures to deal with noise issues and enforcement of Alcohol Prohibited Areas. If user-paid police are used at anytime that a quarterly report be prepared for council on dates and costs.
 
  • Develop other strategies to clear the area of illegal drinkers.
 
  • Refer the matter to the Northern Beaches Safety Advisory Committee for ongoing monitoring.
 
  • Prepare a Community Safety Management Plan for East Esplanade within the next three months.

The purpose of the Safety Management Plan is to ensure that there is a clear direction on how the park is to be managed in the future.  This will include consistent signage, liaison with the Police, Council Ranger patrols and  lighting for example. An immediate change is that Council  landscaping work is set to start  in April. 

It was pleasing to see that new signs had already been erected in time for the Easter holiday weekend, and Ranger Patrols were scheduled.

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UPDATE: Feb 28. At the Council meeting last night Crs Candy Bingham and Sarah Grattan put a four-point motion to Northern Beaches Council. As well as the call for council to monitor the area with night rangers or the deployment of off-duty police,  the motion called for a review of the current Alcohol Prohibited Area times with alcohol banned at 8.00pm instead of 4pm, to give locals and visitors a reasonable picnicing window. . The reinstatement of the former Manly Safety Committee which brings together community representatives, councillors, police and other relevant agencies, will reconvene shorty as the Northern Beaches Safety Advisory Committee and will be asked to continue to monitor the situation.

Although Council staff indicated that the budget was available to immediately start the deployment of off-duty police (at a cost of $55,000 vs $14,000 for night rangers)  the motion was lost with a deferral to the next meeting moved by Crs Pat Daley & Cr Stuart Sprott who are pushing for a 24 hour prohibited zone.

The matter is now on hold until the next meeting of Council on 27 March 2018.

BACKGROUND: Manly’s beautiful East Esplanade reserve is a crowd favourite for a few drinks as the sun is going down. 
But ‘the office’ is also popular for parties and drinking late into the night. And that leads to problems including aggressive behaviour, urination in public including in locals’ front yards, and piles of rubbish. The reserve is currently designated alcohol free after 4pm but clearly the ban is not working.

A Manly Community Forum residents’ meeting last week, attended by Northern Beaches Police Commander Superintendent Dave Darcy, and Manly Ward Councillors Candy Bingham, Sarah Grattan and Pat Daley, brought the issue to a head. Many locals said they hated the late-night parties and wanted to know why the alcohol bans were not been enforced by the Police or council rangers.
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Good For Manly President and Northern Beaches Deputy Mayor Candy Bingham said while the situation  was unacceptable, police resources were limited and they should not be criticised for putting the most serious incidents first. She said the Council should re-introduce night and weekend rangers to patrol the park and deal with low-level complaints. 

“Manly Council used to have night rangers, but the service was lost with the amalgamation into Northern Beaches Council” she said. “We need to bring the council rangers back to take responsibility early in the evening, then the police would come in only if they were really required.” 

Cr Pat Daley called for a complete 24-hour drinking ban, but an informal vote at the resident meeting clearly favoured limited restrictions only. 

Supt Darcy said order maintenance in East Esplanade was “a team game”.  He supported the return of night and weekend rangers, and the reinstatement of the Manly Safety Committee. He told the meeting that people should call triple 0 if they see someone acting aggressively, or urinating on private property. For other issues, including loud music or late parties, they should call Manly Police Station. 

“Seventy percent of alcohol-fuelled violence in the whole Northern Beaches happens in The Corso,” Supt Darcy said. “We’ve had a huge improvement in that area over the years, but it needs tight policing, and that’s where my priority lies. 

20 Comments
Evelyn Ciocco
7/3/2018 08:35:06 am

I've just read with interest the comments on the situation on the East Esplanade.
That is public land for public use and as a resident of that area, I've seen many family birthday parties, reunions and groups having fun. That area should be open to these citizens.

If late night anti social behaviour is a problem, residents should call the police, of course. If that happens frequently the undesirable behaviour still eventually stop.

And lets look at numbers. How many incidents happen on a weekend evening? And how many individuals are adversely affected? I live in that area and have not found late night noise a problem. But apparently some people do. How many? I'd like to see some data on these items.

I'd hate to see a public ban based on just a few individual instances. Public spaces should be used by the public. And that means alcohol. What better place to congregate than in one area at East Esplanade. What if everyone took their parties and spread them all over Manly?

If urination is the biggest problem we have, aren't we fortunate?

Please consider the whole picture before undertaking punitive measuresk.

Evelyn Ciocco

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DON WALKER
7/3/2018 09:04:26 am

While it is agreed that East Esplanade is a fantastic area for family picnics but, if you are a local, you would know that the majority-if not all families have deserted this area due to the behaviour of the young men and women taking over this area with their drunken parties late afternoon. . It is a sad fact that it only takes a minority of idiots to spoil it for every one else. If you think having dozens of hoons using your property as their toilets is a fortunate fact it is obvious that you do not live along East Esplanade or the side streets. As you say, this area is public land for the use of all residents and the use of this area is governed by council regulations as are all public lands along the Northern Beaches region but is the only area where consumption of alcohol is allowed. Residents along East Esplanade are not in favour of the proposed 8:30 shut off time for the consumption of alcohol but want a return to the area returning to a 24/7 alcohol free area and believe that if this restriction was policed during daylight hours by council rangers who could call in the police when these hoons refuse to comply with the regulations it is believed that the problems being experienced would be controlled.

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Xavier Barthelemy
7/3/2018 10:28:30 am

While I understand the main concern, I am a resident of East Esplanade, and I commonly goes to the office to meet friend and I don't see the mayhem everyone describe.
Do you think getting a bigger stick will avoid people meeting and having fun?
and then, if you prohibit them from being there, where will they go? you are just moving the problem, the Not In My Backyard problem maybe?
Urinating? let's build a public toilet open late, other than the one in the carpark which is hidden.
And please, do not speak for the "residents of East Esplanade", speak for yourself.

Linda Williamson
7/3/2018 10:23:39 am

I totally support each of Evelyn’s points and also would be interested to see some data relating to violence or unsocial behaviours, especially before 9pm! As a local I support keeping this area open for civilised gatherings until sunset.

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Penny Polkinghorne
7/3/2018 05:12:33 pm

East Esplanade belongs to the public and is a meeting place for many people. More public toilets are needed and alcohol limited after 8pm

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Chris Abbott
7/3/2018 09:01:27 am

Alcohol free after 4pm. So many people love being down there at sunset (8pm) in the summer months having a few drinks. Why don't they just change it to sunset or an hour after sunset. Then have rangers down there to move people on?

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Don Walker
7/3/2018 09:12:39 am

As you should know, this area is restricted for the consumption of alcohol after 4:00 pm, yet there are no policing of this regulation even if the police are called to clear the area of these drinkers by phoning 000 as directed to by the area commander. And I do not think that having council rangers patrol this area is a satisfactory action as they do not have the powers of the police. By extending these hours to sunset would have no affect on these drunken parties behaviour as these people think they have a god given right to trespass on private property.

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Candy Bingham
11/3/2018 03:41:38 pm

The 4pm cut-off time was doomed to fail and just didn't make sense. In fact if was based on when the large garbage collecton was.

Whatever the time is, it must be policed to be effective.

Judith Hewitson link
7/3/2018 09:37:34 am

Take lessons learnt from elsewhere - New York for instance changed violence and damage in the underground and trains by changing the culture of the place - not by increasing punishment ( which hadn’t worked). They cleaned it up and strictly maintained this standard so it looked beautiful.

8pm curfew is civilised, so are beautiful lawn areas, and attractive plentiful toilet facilities. Add, don’t detract. What else could we do to create a family friendly/ romantic picnic culture? Picnic rug hires till 8 pm? Sculpture/ art pieces to break up large areas?.....?

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Candy Bingham
11/3/2018 03:40:00 pm

Some good ideas there Judith. Thanks.

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Ian Littlemore
7/3/2018 09:42:35 am

There seems to be a law and order issue at East Esplanade in terms of maintaining public order there and protecting private property. Accordingly, it would seem to be the duty of the local police to patrol the area. If the police do not have the resources to patrol much other than the Corso then perhaps James Griffin should be speaking to the Police Minister about rectifying this. The rangers are not trained to deal with drunken hoons and it sets a bad precedent for ratepayers to be funding off-duty police patrols at exorbitant hourly rates.

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jim buda
7/3/2018 12:55:58 pm

Hi Candy, agree that the office needs some consistency in approach. It is dumb having rules that are not observed. The dumbness of the current rules is manifest in the constant breach and lack of enforcement.

Manly in summer has a lot of pressure on its open space esp the office and shelley beach but this can also include little manly and even collins flat.

The public use of these spaces is fantastic but it needs to acknowledged and managed in a way that does not kill off the culture of the area.
With drinks at $10 a pop in manly venues public spaces will be under increasing pressure and with the pressure will be associated costs (waste collection, regeneration facilities etc).
I would suggest that council manage the reserves, in high demand areas such as Manly, like sports fields and investigate a booking system. Residents can book and use for free, non residents would have a small fee that would help cover waste collection and ranger / police management. Any site specific rules for that location would be included in booking info and the site users would then be aware of site specific issues.

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Candy Bingham
11/3/2018 03:43:45 pm

Thanks Jim, some good ideas there. Aldi selling cheap alcohol on the doorstep of the reserve has clearly escalated the problem

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Michelle
7/3/2018 04:27:57 pm

Yep, the fun police are at it again. Why shouldn't "the public" enjoy the area for a picnic for a few drinks until sunset during summer. This is why the "best things in life are free". Come on people. Remember what its like to have fun. Agree restrictions after sunset are wise, but before than is just "police state" gone too far. What you should be more concerned about is the rapid increase in high rise apartments in Manly which only add volume of people to the area and lack of amenity and overcrowding.

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Terry Miller
7/3/2018 08:09:44 pm

On the many occasions I have walked along East Esplanade on an afternoon or early evening I have seen nothing but happy people having quiet fun. The atmosphere is wonderful. To me it is the spirit of Manly. I am totally opposed to a 24/7 alcohol ban. Let’s keep the issue in perspective. 8pm sounds sensible to me.

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Rosemary Marzouk
8/3/2018 11:38:22 pm

We live in an apartment directly above the east esplanade reserve, and want to add support to those who love the atmosphere of the picnics and gatherings there, and think the 8 pm alcohol curfew, or as someone said, till just after sunset, is realistic and sensible. From our constant observation there is seldom unpleasant noise but just the hubbu of happy picnickers. Please do not speak for all residents - we love the area being used and are not disturbed by drunk and disorderly behaviour. The current signs prohibiting alcohol after 4 pm are unrealistic and unnecessary.

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Evelyn Ciocco
10/3/2018 01:41:32 pm

How can we respond to this issue? I agree with many of the comments made on this site. Are other communities in the Northern Beaches council experiencing the same problem. If so, perhaps a committee can be formed to examine the problem and possible solutions.

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Candy Bingham
11/3/2018 03:45:33 pm

Hi Evelyn. A new Northern Beaches Safety Advisory Committee is currently being formed and will deal with such issues.

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Dennis Caldwell
11/3/2018 07:33:19 am

Hi Candy
I totally agree wit you in that The Office is world class and whenever I pass by it and see all the folks young and old enjoying socialising and having a drink it puts a smile on my face.
We are becoming a society of politically correct losers.
Let them enjoy themselves and yes may be put a curfew of say 9PM on the partying.

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Chris Robertson
4/4/2018 08:18:22 am

Seeing the community out enjoying a beautiful public space is a joy. Invite acoustic folk buskers to set up on the beach like Byron's Main beach? Set a chill vibe, attract a chill tribe?

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